Welcome back for another (late) update.
First off, I’d like to address the Pyro figure. A lot of helpful comments, even if they are mostly negative. I’m going to try and answer some of the questions regarding this sculpt:
I think the image I placed on here didn’t do the character much justice but I appreciate you may just not like it. Here’s a better pic.
First up is the size difference, in the photo I placed up Pyro was at the painted sculpt stage, which means he’s made of another material and not lead. When the figures are made in lead they shrink a little. Having got a lead version of Pyro in the office, I can confirm that he’s the same size as Spidey.
Marvel’s changes involved the paint job. We initially had the character in a different orange costume; Marvel requested the colour scheme you see now.
Unfortunately, as someone suggested in the comments, we’ve moved to the point where the pose is pretty much decided. Please bear in mind that when the Pyro sculpt was shown on this blog, the feedback was positive, as always a couple of collectors weren’t thrilled with the character but there wasn’t an outcry for the figure to be changed at the time. I promise you we do take your comments seriously and are willing to look at figures again but it may be too late for this one. I really do think that a lot of people are going to like the figure when they see it in the shops.
Other questions that popped up in the comments were regarding double packs and Northstar. I’m sorry to say I can’t confirm one yet but I do believe we’ll have Northstar and Aurora as a double pack as part of next year’s specials.
Someone also asked why competitions and polls are on the forums and not on the blog. The simple answer is that I don’t have the ability (or time) to make sure people don’t cheat on polls/comps on this blog. We have tried running a few polls in the past but it quickly became obvious that someone was cheating. When the forum chose three figures for this extension I will announce the details on this blog, giving most a chance to join and vote. Sorry but there just isn’t another way.
Anyway, that aside I’ve got two more figures to announce for the extension.
The first is Forge – a simple choice that has been requested many times and is a very popular X-Men character.
The second is….
J. Jonah Jameson.
Now I know there’s going to be a lot of debate on this one but let me say straight away that Jameson being in the collection does not mean we’ve ‘opened the floodgates for civilians’. As far as I’m concerned, Jameson is one of the most important characters in Spidey’s history and despite being a ‘normal’, is as recognizable and unique-looking (hell, probably a lot more) than the other characters in the extension.
Right, that leaves just one slot for Eaglemoss to choose before we start the polls and comp. We’ve talked about it in the office non-stop over the last few days and still can’t quite decide, so now’s your chance to give me your suggestions for the ONE character. Make your voice known in the comments section and you never know, we may be influenced and pick it.
Right that is your lot. Have a good weekend.
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I know Quicksand is not so classic a character but I think she can be a very interesting figurine with her light yellow skin completely textured and long ocher hair. Maybe she can be reproduced as a special, this way being the very first female special.
I would really like also to have a Night Trasher reproduction but I had a list of about one hundred characters to choose from and I wanted to reduce it to a more manageable number for a hypotetical new extension.
I checked and I discovered that also here in Italy we had an Abomination figurine which I missed (I have to call to our publisher). I noticed that his base is completely different from the others. I don't like it. Why did they choose this unusual solution?
For me an ape-less red ghost would be okay, too. But I'd say that I would prefere him with his simian friends.
@franceso
Its almost as if i can predict the future.
Here is my drawing of quicksand done in february:
http://lawaycartoons.blogspot.com/2010/02/050-quicksand.html
Not a figurine pose, but fanart all the same. ;)
Been quietly recently because of non stop work. :( Update tomorrow, and weekend! Football! Yay!
Speaking of Fanart LAway, you should get around to coloring that sketch of the Cuckoos for me. ;)
In my view Pyro still looks poor, buy you never know, it might look good in 'real life'.
I'm please JJJ and Forge are in!
But i'd like to hear who the next few specials and mega specials are going to be, because in MHO the only really good, popular, well-known and interesting characters left (and not just D listers who have specific fans) are the bigger characters.
I want my Marvel Shelves to scream look at me, WOW!! not just become a hoard of 'whos that then?' bunch of also ran's. :-)
So my favourite to be included has to be...
Regular : DRACULA
Special : BROOD QUEEN
Mega Special : ODIN
and if we're going to think outside the box... CH'OD!
For the first female Special, I'd like Madame Web in her chair. There's a LOT of others who would agree with this on the forums.
And in defense of the D Listers, they are the ones I'm actually most excited about. Kangaroo, Slyde, Swarm, Quicksand, Recorder. If you want A and B characters, well, you can get them from EVERY OTHER Marvel line. I mean, honestly, I don't just want "the lead version of Marvel Legends."
On ideas for last Figure - a sexy Satana. Time Eaglemoss stepped up to the plate & start going sexy on the Female char
lol - we'll see one-of-three. Feel free to colour it yourself if you wish...its not a drawing i'm terribly happy with anyway, would prefer to redo it than colour it.
A lead collection of marvel legends is EXACTLY what I want. Why? because it was the most successful marvel figure range. It did everything right, different costumes, lots of characters, obscure, new, horror, they did it all.
Alot of people want D list...hell, z list characters. Someone they think that the collection is better off dying a slow death on this slippery slope than injecting more life with the occasional alternate costume and new sculpts of A-list characters.
There are enough marvel characters to keep the collection going to 1000. Although, not everyone wants those characters. where do you draw the line? One characters D-list is another man's treasure. that same man may despise another d-list character as unworthy. The fans will never be pleased going down the road of obscure characters, and deep down will only probably stay collecting until their character is made, and then leave the collection.
At 200, start introducing alternate costumes. Keep the collection going longer to fund for these obscure characters. If fans start leaving, well it shows how loyal they are to begin with.
Utter nonsense. Let's not fill this blog with misinformation.
Having D listers do not damage the success of the CMFC.
The truth is, all Marvel fans love B, C and D listers as much as they love the A listers. The issue is not the level they occupy and the hierarchy (A, B, C or D tier) but it boils down to personal preferences.
There is a reason why the Marvel Universe is inhabited by all those characters, and that's its beauty. The CMFC must reflect that. Real fans will like to see the MU represented in all its level, the same as they enjoy those levels in the comics.
The CMFC is not a pack of Top Trumps,nor is it a meaningless replica in lead of the Marvel Legends. It's the most ambitious exploration of the Marvel Universe ever attempted, and that's the key to its uniqueness and success.
That Kirlianeyes chap talks a lot of sense :)
Speedball for me
Always liked Cardiac also
Having said that, I agree that it is possible for the CMFC to cover some of the major characters again. Costume variants from different timelines, etc. This can work very well in correct doses, as some bloggers are suggesting, and can inject the CMFC with extra vitality. It is a good idea, no outrage there. My main point, however, remains: real Marvel fans do love the B, C and D listers as well, and these must be covered as much as possible.
@LAWay
Very fine picture!!
Of course, also the others you drew!!
Looks like no update today. Not surprising really given Rich said he has been busy recently.
I just hope that when a character is confirmed it's from the cosmic/MK side. I know I keep on but I feel it's important to flesh these sides out. The likes of Firelord, Deatbird, Vance Astro and Gamora are perfect choices for the cosmics. And White Tiger, Darkstar, Owl and Brother Voodoo for the MK's.
Failing that there are a few Avenger villains who are overdue like Count Nefaria, Baron Mordo, Constrictor and the Hood.
There is a lot of life in the collection yet without resorting to redo's.
If any varients were to be made then I think they should be along the lines of Archangel and Bucky where the persona wasn't just in a different costume but it was a drastic change for the character too. But as I said I could certainly live without them.
@LAway: If that's the case, by all means draw another one then! You know I'd appreciate it. =)
@Gremlin: By Cosmic, you mostly mean Deathbird, don't you? ;) You post about her quite often, but I completely agree, so you're not bothering anyone at all.
As much as I would love for Oracle to be one of the next Shi'ar I can't help but feel that I want Deathbird to have the next Shi'ar spot.
I personally don't want another cosmic character but if there HAD to be one, I wouldn't want it to be Vance Astro--but Deathbird instead. She'd make for a much more interesting design, magazine and addition.
Well Deathbird is the character I am championing. We only have one cosmic character this extension and it is such a rich area of the MU especially with all the developments in the past 5 years.
I don't know much about Captain Marvel, but I thought he was a cosmic character. Add in Karnak, and we've got two. Though I do agree that there are MANY other cosmic characters I want to see.
Anyway, nice list Gremlin. ;) Those all seem like very deserving choices. Truly classic and varied.
I am against double packs with two regular size figurines (ie Northstar & Aurora or Prof X & Lilandra). There are so many large-scale characters that should be taking the limited number of special slots. Let the regular-size figurines fight for spots in the regular collection.
@Gremlin: Yeah I know. lol Your campaign for her on the forum was pretty good. I'm probably being a tad optimistic here, but I hope we both get the characters we want in the collection. I can tell you're just as driven to get Deathbird in the collection (as I am about my girls) all just from your many posts on the forum alone. ;)
I'm just probably going to have a much harder time on my end, especially with things like the "classic" debate.
Also, I agree that the cosmic side of the MU is rich, I just haven't found it all that interesting, unfortunately. I'm probably just not reading any of the right things. =/
oh and....WARPATH for special?
Yessss!
Warpath special please EM
Maybe we can have an all x-men special for next year.
OMEGA=RED -special (confirmed)
SAURON - special
WARPATH - special
STRONG GUY -special
MOJO -Mega -special
@kirlianeyes
Just like I said. One mans D list character is a one mans treasured character. Someone who likes stiltman may be very opposed to Mentallo. Its all preference, and thats what I meant. You could go on forever, and no one will ever be happy with the choices.
You love the idea of alternates like me. No complaint there. And while what CMFC is doing is ambitious, nothing has covered so much history...maybe marvel legends. Reason being if there are enough interest in a certain product, it kills it. I worry that some time CMFC will hit a bad run of characters that will ruin sales. Sure there will be fans of these characters...but also many who will not bother buying them.
I am just saying, spruce up the collection with alternate costumes and characters to boost sales to support flagging sales of d listers. And by that I dont mean waste of lead, i just mean they are down the line of marvel hierarchy who do have fans, but maybe not enough. An example, we all love comics...but we dont buy every issue. Eventually, I fear thats how the collection could go.
Also...no update today, so have to rant right? Keep the discussion going for another week. ;)
Here's an idea that might be a little controversial- more 'Shared-Base' characters...
We've just recently had Cloak and Dagger, and although some might disagree, I personally think the result is quite sculptural, and allowed for an effect that would not have been possible with 2 separate figurines.
Other groupings that I believe would work in this way are-
Original Torch and Toro
(both on 'flame' columns, twisting around each-other)
Groot and Rocket Racoon
(a lot of people seem to want these 2 together- Rocket could be perched on Groots shoulders perhaps)
Howard The Duck and Beverley Switzler-
These 2 should always be seen together, one of the best double-acts in comics.
PowerPack
(effects similar to The Torches)
Stepford Cuckoos
('Charlie's Angels'-type pose)
Sons of The Tiger
(just the original 3, semi-circle defensive poses)
Daughters of the Dragon
(Colleen posed with sword, Misty crouched down aiming gun)
This way of displaying can add a different dimension to the collection, and enables more characters (who perhaps wouldn't justify their own single spot)to be included.
Just a thought anyway...
BD
Any comments about the latest DC releases Adam Strange and Dr Fate.
To my mind the DC collection has much bigger, better sculpts.
The Moss men should simply match Marvel to the DC cover price and then raise the marvel quality and scale to DC.
Let's face it the Captain America figurine looks like a weed compared to Batman or even Robin, for that matter.
When you collect both Marvel and DC the difference is obvious.
Marvel fans like me weep everytime we see the awesome DC figures and compare them to those in the Marvel collection.
Gorgon falls into the weed category too, he looks like he has shrunk in the wash.
Even though I love the collection - I have to admit I seem to be regularly disappointed.
Captain America, the FF, Black Widow and many more are desparate to be resculpted to meet up to the expectation that the DC figurines have set.
Hi Deadpool!
I also collect The DC figs, and agree with a lot of what you say...I've seen the Adam Strange fig (but not got him yet) and he looks amazing- my last 2 were Metamorpho and Dr.Fate, with Jonah Hex as a Special.
While I like the idea of branching into the western characters- I wish The Marvel Collection would do the same, The Hex figurine is IMO oddly out of place with the others, due to them making it a Special for no reason.
The pose is awkward, and worst of all- the face isn't right at all (something that is very important with Jonah Hex!). The only reason I can figure out why they've gone tht Special route, is to tie-in with the new Jonah Hex movie. They should have put him a horse instead I think....
What do you think DP?
BD
I agree - Jonah is the most disappointing figure so far, but he still kicks the Destroyer's ass.
I think it's a film promo.
I would prefer him to look a bit more disfigured.
Anway... this is the official start of the Deadpool petition for the Mossmen to upgrade the Marvel figurine collection.
Bigger better sculpts, price matched to DC and resculpts of the crap figures without losing a slot int heoverall collection.
DC collectors will be sitting at home smuggly laughing at the Marvel collectors and their weedy little figures.
Let's wipe that nerdy smile of their fat little faces.
Oh and I almost forgot my salutation - Hello Bob :0)
Or in other words, an Odin Special should come out next year. :)
"...and resculpts of the crap figures..."
But who decides which figures are crap? You mentioned Thing and he's personally one of my favorites. Costumes are one thing. I can see LAWay and Kirly's point about other costumes (wouldn't like it, but understand it.) But resculpting a character outright, I can't see.
Actually I said the FF but the Thing isnt too bad, but I would prefer him to be in a "Clobbering Time" stance.
But the rest of the FF look as if they are the cast from that ill fated movie that was never released.
Regarding crap sculpts - we all from time to time mention the crap ones - Weedy Cap should be more like the Task Master, the skeletal Black Widow, Iron Man the stick insect, the farting Black Cat, Craptain Britain the impostor etc...
A simple questionnaire to the customers via a magazine would be enough for us to highlight which figures need to be redone.
I'd bu them as replacements for the current slot, so as not to deny us of a new character.
Lets face it if the MOss men resculpted Captain America as a replacement not a new figure, everyone would definately buy him.
The same goes for any other resculpts.
Just look at the collectors who cry salty tears just because they can't get a green quicksliver.
Quite often collections like this are cyclic; they start again from the begining.
Let's get the Mossmen to prepmpt this by demanding resulpts while the tail end of the collection continues.
Hasn't Rich said time and time again that resculpts are off the table for the moment.
@ BobDiamond
The idea of a shared pose specials is an interesting idea.
I'm wondering how much people would be prpaired for something like that if it were encorporated into specific poses as if it were a snapshot taken from a battle or a classic scene/picture from a comic.
For example if there ends up being 20 specials and they seem well on the way to reaching that number. How owuld people feel if the 20th one was an recreation of the classic scene of Spiderman unconscious in the metallic arms of Doc Ock and his mask pulled off.
I'm sure you and everyone knows the pictue I am talking about from way back when.
If the cost for something like that took the cost of the specials to say £22-£25 would people be prepared to pay it or would that be too much?
There are so many classic poses/scenes that could be released as a special say one in every six, which of course is one a year.
Thing and The Hulk almost nose to nose about to beat each other to a pulp.
Cyclops holding the lifeless body of Jean Grey (maybe with a Phoenix background ariing from the base?)
Wolverine and Kitty Pride from the cover of Days of Future Past.
Just a thought, what do you and other people think?
Wabid Romble - I suggested exactly that idea several threads in the past.
Obviously I agree whole heartedly.
The possibilities are endless .... endless I tell ya ...
Deadpool,
I've just thought of another variation, which I don't think you or anyone has come up with (so someone is bound to have) that could be in interesting idea.
For a series of specials release larger versions of current releases but have the bases of them constructed in such a way that they interlock or fit together in an specific way to create one bigger figurine or presentation. So for example you would release The original Sinister Six as a series of seven releases in brand new poses that when conconjoined it looks as if they are attacking as a group surrounding a central figure of an crouching Spiderman whom would be the reason for an seven release set. I'm not sure how The Vulture would be achieved though. Possibly a clear plastic cradle coming from the stand that he would sit in to simulate him in flight? The base would need to be weighted to stop it tipping unless it slotted into an specially designed larger base (the rubble of an destroyed building?) that all the figures would slot into in the formation.
This would allow for some really big and impressive looking collective variations as well as full sets of groups together such as The Avengers, FF, X-Men, Brotherhood of Evil Mutants etc.
I think the fans and collectors would be interested in collecting in parts something that would eventually build into an bigger module that they may think twice about buying as an one off big payment to but it as an completed item.
The Sinister Six version I came up with, would be about £90-£100 working on an RRP of £13 (plus p+p) each.
I know I would find it easier to get it at about £13-£15 a time and more exciting seeing it build up then find the bigger sum as an single payment and then I have it in one go.
So many ideas that I have said so myself self, I whole heartily agree.
2 base specials- this isnt the topic of discussion, it should just be special poses and events from marvel history in these statue like figurines. I dont want a generic spiderman on a wall, where 70% of the figure is a base, thats a rip off. I want a thing vs hulk, phoenix being held by cyclops, green goblin dangling an umasked spiderman from his glider.
I think if we are talking about 'classics', we should get classic moments in marvel in lead, replicating key events, comic covers etc. Something really special worth shouting about rather than a low key mega figure that has little under 40 comic appearances.
As for the sculpts,this is what I dont get. We hear about the price difference and the fact that the CMFC fans get 'a good deal', but you look at the figurines and you have to argue, the quality isnt as high in marvel compared to DC. There are a slim few in Marvel that look about the scale and detail of the DC figures, like Hawkeye and Taskmaster. I would pay the extra £1 if all figures would look a little more special like this. The fact is the sculpts look better on DC, they are slightly bigger figurines, thats where I see the £1 difference.
I would love new sculpts of the likes of Cap, Iron Man etc. I think its shocking that EM are looking to make such exciting and dynamic sculpts after 100 figures into the collection. These new figurines will look so out of place, and whats worse, most of these characters really are the 'who's that' of the marvel universe. Of course, some people dont seem to mind that have a poor captain america or captain britain because cannonball looks so cool.
It is hard to get a reaction of what the fans generally want. Alot of forum members and bloggers say they love seeing new obscure characters. These are diehard fans you must remember. Its like twilight fans, only the diehard would join a forum for it. If you suggested on those forums that you didnt like a certain aspect, you would get jumped on for your seeming disloyalty.
What I am saying is there are so many fans of the collection, not everyone wants just these obscure characters, we want the characters that we love done justice time and time again. I know people love these obscure characters, but lets not fool ourselves, we love the a-listers more because without them, you would never have discovered those obscure characters.
There needs to be some sort of fair questionnaire held. Not an internet poll, forum vote or whatever. Like I said, the diehard seek out their love on the net as it is not advertised in the magazine. Either take new steps to advertise the blog, the forum in future magazines, or make a questionnaire and poll in the magazine that can be sent back.
I know it takes longer, its a little more complicated, but I think there are a large portion o fans not getting their voices heard. Most online diehards say resculpts, alternates etc are bad...but ask everyone on a whole, and I think you would be surprised to see that alot of people actually wouldnt mind, and infact, desire it.
Alternatively, can we see some pictures of sculpts or designs that were turned down? Show the fans all the captain britain ideas turned down. Give fans a glimpse of what could have been, and they'll then drool over the idea of getting a redo of an old figurine.
Personally, its a topic that cannot be ignored. There are too many 'yes men' that are either too afraid or too stubborn to except changes and just want to either brown nose up to EM or just want 'their' dream wish lists of obscure characters made.
I am open minded, I'll take everything, obscure characters, megas, alternate costumes, sculpts, 2 base specials, 2 packs...whatever you can throw EM, I'll collect it. But I dont think my loyalty as a subscriber means that I am a happy customer and I should be able to express my opinions on changes as opposed to those fans who flit in and out of the collection only buying what suits them.
Ooo..controversial long rant comment. Bet that fired up people. Admit it, who missed me? :P
(my keyword is 'thorialy'...how 'marvel' is that?) :D
@rabid-womble
Nice idea. I would approve of this. However, the fact remains you are suggesting something incredibly awesome that features characters already made in lead...and that would piss off so many collectors who think everything made needs to be a new obscure character rather than embrace ANYTHING that is a remotely cool addition to the general marvel fan.
Thanks for the update,
I'm obviously one of the few collectors still not happy about the inclusion of a civilian (JJJ.)
The flood gates are now open!
where will it end?
Will he be the one and only Civilian sat amongst an entire collection of Supers?
I know alot of people are in favour but for me the figure is as out of place as a Steak & Kidney pie on a cake stand. Sorry to all those who wanted him in but he just doesn't fit. Don't get me wrong I love JJJ and if it was an exclusively Spidey collection then Hell Yeah he's gotta be in!
Who's next - Aunt May? Lol.
(I shouldn't have said that...should I?)
@Roberto Katflapo
to be honest, the flood gates are open to any and every crap marvel z list character, so I welcome a character that actually has some importance in marvels history.
Now, I dont want to see aunt may as she hasnt really done anything and wouldnt make a good sculpt, but JJJ is a huge character with more personality than the GotG put together.
(oh no, shouldnt have said that should I?) lol :P
Last figure in this extension? Easy.
Gorilla Man!!!!!
LAWay - your comments are always interesting, but you look at things from a very idiosyncratic angle, and sometimes I wonder if you can be described as a real Marvel fan. You rub me the wrong way when you say things like
1. 'obscure characters'.
Speak for yourself. They are obscure to you. Could it be that your knowledge of the Marvel Universe comes mostly from Top Trumps and computer games? I wonder! Be a bit more open to discovering these 'so called' obscure characters and you'll find that they are as interesting as the most famous ones - and in many cases, their concepts and back stories are absolute genius. If the CMFC started to fill up with A listers again, why on earth would we need that? There are hundreds of manufacturers offering so called 'cool' Spider-Man and Iron Man figures. Go and grab those, dude, and leave the CMFC to take care of all the other characters that real Marvel fans have been waiting to see in the spotlight.
If, purely for business reasons, EM will have to include A-listers again, that's up to the board of directors. As far as its mission is concerned, the CMFC is a beacon of light precisely beacuse it covers all characters.
2. JJJ has more personality than the GotG. Ha! I wonder what sophisticated criteria you have come up with to measure personality. Give us a break. Your error is that you are influnced by the number of appearances, and by all the stereotypes applied to JJJ, ie. his mannerisms, his moustache and what not. It is a well developed character, but much in the style of a pantomime one. In any case, who says that the 'personality factor' determines a character's inclusion in the CMFC. there are also conceptual factors, design factors and narrative factors. In this respect, the Guardians of the Galaxy have got it all. Starhawk, Yondu and Vance Astro have awesome, highly imaginative back stories and superb design. I urge you to deepen your knowledge of these characters before launching into your unsubstantiated claims based on personal preferences. Lastly, for someone who likes Bulbasaur and Pikachu, you've got guts to diss the GotG, dude.
;)
As my old friend William would say "Re-do or not re-do,that is the question." As I have personally mentioned i numerous times before,I totally agree that there are some figurines that most assuredly deserve to be redone. This is one of the oldest topics that has been going on in this blog without bearing fruit now that the JJJ controversy has been solved.
Gremlin: Yes you're right the moss-men have stated before that they do not see re-sculpts happening any time soon,but they also said JJJ would not be around till after 200 and 'whala' here we have mister congeniality himself in living color.
Deadpool: You my friend are absolutely right (oh my God I'm agreeing with you ,this worries me)I for one would buy hands down another Cap A or Cap B sculpt made as a replacement for the old. I also agree with you (oh oh) that there is a marked difference between the DC and Marvel collection quality and detail wise.If a little rise in price will signify better quality and more detail I'm for it.
One-Of-Three: I hope this question is not taken in a wrong way as I am truly only curious,but what exactly is it that you collect that's Marvel? I ask because I've noticed that in the past you stated that you only had 5 or 6 figurines in your collection and when other bloggers 'speak' with you and make reference to certain groups or characters in the MU you often respond with "I agree they are interesting characters,but I have no interest in them" or "I've heard of him but I'm not truly familiar with the character" or "I agree that the cosmic side of the MU is rich, I just haven't found it all that interesting, unfortunately. I'm probably just not reading any of the right things." As I said I'm just curious of what your interests in the Marvel U are and the question is not meant to be a put-down or rude.
I too agree that some redos would be good. The questions are: where do you start? and most importantly where do you stop? as soon as a new improved Captain America appeared, for example, we'd feel that other characters deserve the treatment, as they would start looking inferior.
REDOS via MARVEL UNIVERSE FILES
Like I said before, for me the solution lies in a new premium EM collection to run in parallel with the CMFC. It would cover special Marvel sagas and story arcs, and use them as an opportunity to redo some of the figurines. For example, see my previous post with MARVEL UNIVERSE FILES, Age Of Apocalypse. It's proposed as a study on the alternate AOA timelime
and gives us an opportunity to see
Sunfire and Angel redone in the much wanted AOA versions. This would not disrupt the flow of the main CMFC, and buyers would be free to buy these extra MU Files if so they wished.
@kirlianeyes
1. Dont mean to rub you up the wrong (or any) way buddy. ;)
I am a marvel fan, but I am also thinking openly. How many marvel fans really know these 'obscure' characters. I say 'obscure' as a generalization, as in if you asked anyone if they knew these characters, the answer would be mostly 'no'. And I dont mean know the character just by name or appearance either. I know thats reason to buy because the magazine explains history, but its like star wars figures. There are many 'obscure' characters/extras that not everything knows or cares about and stand out more to diehard fans.
I dont know where this 'mission to cover every character' came from. It wasnt the item description when first published. Sure alot of merchandise is made of the a-listers, for good reason...they sell. But never have the a-listers been made in lead scale before, thats reason enough. I dont care if marvel legends had 20 wolverines, I would still want the same 20 because its a different format, its lead figurines in cool poses. Why wouldnt you want more of that? I dont see the anger towards the idea, you see enough comments annoyed at a sculpt or costume choice. Why are we limiting ourselves to 1 of each character we all love?
2. Like you said, its down to preferences. You may love the GotG, the designs, the characters, I dont. Sure, I'll take a Vance Astro like the one you posted, but the others just look bad to me. As for personality, I imagine GotG just follows archetypal character traits of those found in any other team and are pretty unoriginal other than the fact its 'in the future' while there isnt anyone like JJJ.
lol Why you getting personal man? I played pokemon as I grew up? My interests are in cartoons, comics and games. So what. Is this a comment coming from someone of a slightly older generation? :P
I have read comics for years. I have watched and played anything marvel. I have collected anything marvel. I collected about 20 different marvel monthly titles. If characters didnt pop up in some sort of mention, I dont care for them. If they never appeared in and cartoon or video game, I have never looked out for them. If they arent in anything else collectible, toys, top trumps, whatever, I dont look them up. Its a ridiculous statement. Through these childish ways of knowing marvel I have been introduced to well over hundreds of characters. I got the encycopedia too, I read about characters in that way. Just because it you say a character has an interesting story doesnt make it true. Personal taste like you said.
What is a 'real' marvel fan? Wanting more of characters that MADE marvel? Shocking. Not reading or wanting figurines of characters from comic titles that have been cancelled or havent resurfaced for 40 years? Wanting to keep the collection going strong instead of worrying that making merchandise of characters that dont sell many comics, yet alone never been in merchandise or any other media?
Marvel fans dont need to like or want every single marvel character produced. My room is covered with marvel merchandise. My wardrobes are full with marvel t-shirts. Marvel inspires me to draw and be creative. I dont think my marvel fan status can be questioned. lol Just because I dont like some of these characters doesnt mean I am not a marvel fan. Fact is, alot of people are like me, I am just more vocal while others will either sit back and accept it waiting for a character they actually want or are happy with, or not bother buying the figurine in the first place. I may moan, but I am a subscriber and buy every figurine.
I think you took the term 'obscure' to heart. Explain characters not in the public view, not known to general comic fans, from cancelled titles who havent appeared in comics for years...if there is a better term for these characters I'll use it. 'obscure' is just the quickest and easiest word to pluck.
@kirilianeyes
We have all suggested a sister publication for redos. Infact I would just want singular figures than pay extra for a 3 pack that covers a story, because you may not want every character.
Just introduce redos into this collection. There are no rules here. Where does it end? It doesnt, thats the beauty! It keeps the collection going on forever! We see a redo sculpt/character I dunno, 4 a year? Is that really too much? So the likes of Beak and Howard the Duck may get pushed back slightly on their release date. Fact is, they will still get made because the money would be there to make them, and they are not being replaced.
There is no reason for a sister publication which would take up more money, especially for things like 3 packs. If a sister publication were to happen, single characters the same as CMFC. But its not needed. Just put them in this collection. It was never said that these characters wouldnt be revisited when first started, so I dont see why the door should be closed on the subject.
We had a black suit spidey special, and another spidey special. We had variants that were repaints that no one asked for but gobbled them up. When we ask for something actually substantial and worth doing...people run from it. Why? We have already crossed that bridge with these figurines, so what is the difference?
We need a sister collection because
1. many like me want to move at a faster pace. I, for one, am not prepared to wait 3 years to get some characters. In fact, I won't wait at all. And buying power of today's collectors may change in 3 years, so EM should make the most in the shortest possible time.
2. we don't want to disrupt the flow of the main CMFC. Some subscribers would feel cheated if figure slots were lost to AOA variants, for example. With a sister collection, they can choose to ignore them whilst continuing to get the CMFC they want and love.
FORM & DESIGN MATTERS
...and a parallel with the Pokemon!
LAWay... lol
I'll have you know,I'm a closet Pokemon fan. There, I said it. I even checked out your drawings of some Pokemon characters, and liked them very much. The fact is, the ideas behind the Pokemon come from the Marvel Universe. I was a bit of a Nintendo GameBoy wizard as a kid (see? a kid, only a few years ago. not the oldie you thought!) and I would happily collect Pokemon lead figurines, if EM ever started to do them. Gotta catch'em all.
As for my previous post, it's not personal. Quite simply there is no need for the CMFC to do what you want, as you can already get 20 Wolverines from other lines. I don't get it, why you so obsessively want the CMFC to give you yet another version of a character that already floods the market.
Also, you must note that the CMFC is a collection of sculpts - and not a comic book series or a computer game. So the logic is different. Many collectors are looking for sculpts that are exquisite and highly original in form and design. In this respect, less known characters (Attuma or Sleepwalker, for example) can make awesome sculpts.
You should understand this, as with the Pokemon we are attracted to a character's shape and colours even if we care less about its powers and personality. It is a different approach.
"I too agree that some redos would be good. The questions are: where do you start? and most importantly where do you stop?" Good question Kirl,the solution may be a little complicated (or maybe not)but I think it's possible. First of all we would have to start by being sincere with ourselves and others. I do not think EM should re-do a certain figurine just because I personally do not like it or would have preferred it being done another way,but rather because of a major flaw (for lack of a better term) or detail. In my previous post I made mention of the two captains because the majority of those that have expressed themselves have stated that the believe both of these characters were made too scrawny and in Cap B's case poor costume choice. Most fans would have preferred Beast in his "classic" look. Crystal was very poorly done. These are just samples of figurines that if taken to a poll and asked if they would like to see an improved version done I believe 90% or more wold say yes.There are others that I might have liked seeing done with some changes,but in the end were made quite nice and I'm okay with them as are many other collectors. So what I'm trying to say is yes I believe there's a place in this collection for certain figurines to be re-done and I don't think it would affect the collection or sales at all.
DC has a large amount of characters that are carbon copies of one another and I don't see anybody complaining about this. For example they have Superman Superboy Prime Bizarro Cyborg Superman and the Central Park Superman special.You also have Green Lantern Golden age Green Lantern Guy Gardner John Stewart Kyle Rayner and Kilowog,and DC fans seem to be okay with this,but if someone were to mentioned that they would like to see Pym as Giant-Man or Hawkeye as Ronin they want to ban you from the blog,why? It's not like I'm asking for a dozen different Wolverines or Spidey in all colors and flavors. A true variant (not just a color change)if well done and deserving of mention,be it due to a classic moment in the MU history or a crucial moment that affected those surrounding the characters involved,would sell good I believe and sustain.
"I too agree that some redos would be good. The questions are: where do you start? and most importantly where do you stop?" Good question Kirl,the solution may be a little complicated (or maybe not)but I think it's possible. First of all we would have to start by being sincere with ourselves and others. I do not think EM should re-do a certain figurine just because I personally do not like it or would have preferred it being done another way,but rather because of a major flaw (for lack of a better term) or detail. In my previous post I made mention of the two captains because the majority of those that have expressed themselves have stated that the believe both of these characters were made too scrawny and in Cap B's case poor costume choice. Most fans would have preferred Beast in his "classic" look. Crystal was very poorly done. These are just samples of figurines that if taken to a poll and asked if they would like to see an improved version done I believe 90% or more wold say yes.There are others that I might have liked seeing done with some changes,but in the end were made quite nice and I'm okay with them as are many other collectors. So what I'm trying to say is yes I believe there's a place in this collection for certain figurines to be re-done and I don't think it would affect the collection or sales at all.
DC has a large amount of characters that are carbon copies of one another and I don't see anybody complaining about this. For example they have Superman Superboy Prime Bizarro Cyborg Superman and the Central Park Superman special.You also have Green Lantern Golden age Green Lantern Guy Gardner John Stewart Kyle Rayner and Kilowog,and DC fans seem to be okay with this,but if someone were to mentioned that they would like to see Pym as Giant-Man or Hawkeye as Ronin they want to ban you from the blog,why? It's not like I'm asking for a dozen different Wolverines or Spidey in all colors and flavors. A true variant (not just a color change)if well done and deserving of mention,be it due to a classic moment in the MU history or a crucial moment that affected those surrounding the characters involved,would sell good I believe and sustain.
"I too agree that some redos would be good. The questions are: where do you start? and most importantly where do you stop?" Good question Kirl,the solution may be a little complicated (or maybe not)but I think it's possible. First of all we would have to start by being sincere with ourselves and others. I do not think EM should re-do a certain figurine just because I personally do not like it or would have preferred it being done another way,but rather because of a major flaw (for lack of a better term) or detail. In my previous post I made mention of the two captains because the majority of those that have expressed themselves have stated that the believe both of these characters were made too scrawny and in Cap B's case poor costume choice. Most fans would have preferred Beast in his "classic" look. Crystal was very poorly done. These are just samples of figurines that if taken to a poll and asked if they would like to see an improved version done I believe 90% or more wold say yes.There are others that I might have liked seeing done with some changes,but in the end were made quite nice and I'm okay with them as are many other collectors. So what I'm trying to say is yes I believe there's a place in this collection for certain figurines to be re-done and I don't think it would affect the collection or sales at all.
DC has a large amount of characters that are carbon copies of one another and I don't see anybody complaining about this. For example they have Superman Superboy Prime Bizarro Cyborg Superman and the Central Park Superman special.You also have Green Lantern Golden age Green Lantern Guy Gardner John Stewart Kyle Rayner and Kilowog,and DC fans seem to be okay with this,but if someone were to mentioned that they would like to see Pym as Giant-Man or Hawkeye as Ronin they want to ban you from the blog,why? It's not like I'm asking for a dozen different Wolverines or Spidey in all colors and flavors. A true variant (not just a color change)if well done and deserving of mention,be it due to a classic moment in the MU history or a crucial moment that affected those surrounding the characters involved,would sell good I believe and sustain.
"I too agree that some redos would be good. The questions are: where do you start? and most importantly where do you stop?" Good question Kirl,the solution may be a little complicated (or maybe not)but I think it's possible. First of all we would have to start by being sincere with ourselves and others. I do not think EM should re-do a certain figurine just because I personally do not like it or would have preferred it being done another way,but rather because of a major flaw (for lack of a better term) or detail. In my previous post I made mention of the two captains because the majority of those that have expressed themselves have stated that the believe both of these characters were made too scrawny and in Cap B's case poor costume choice. Most fans would have preferred Beast in his "classic" look. Crystal was very poorly done. These are just samples of figurines that if taken to a poll and asked if they would like to see an improved version done I believe 90% or more wold say yes.There are others that I might have liked seeing done with some changes,but in the end were made quite nice and I'm okay with them as are many other collectors. So what I'm trying to say is yes I believe there's a place in this collection for certain figurines to be re-done and I don't think it would affect the collection or sales at all.
@kirlianeyes
ah, we are more alike that i thought. I thought the pokemon comment meant that my tastes were invalid.
Like a pokemon fan, you must understand, there are rubbish designs that you dont really like. lol And the newer poekmon, made to get more people to buy games, are pants. People only really care about, or care more for, the original pokemon that established the brand. Same with marvel. :P
And like I said, I am obsessed with getting 20 different wolverines etc because each design is different, completely different. Each character has several beautiful designs that are better than some of these lesser known characters. And the fact remains, they have never been done in this scale, in lead, in these cool poses. Thats why I want them. Its like saying why did we all buy the first 80 figurines which have all been made into toys anyway.
I would love if EM did announce a sister publication for my tastes just focusing on this. But then my loyalty would switch and I would cancel my CMFC subscription. I wouldnt be able to afford both, and would then dabbling in this collection here and there. I think many may just do that also, and then when that happens, the collection will stop and the sister publication will go on strong, or also stop because of the diehard CMFC refusing to jump aboard because the sister publication was the reason for CMFC failure. Dangerous game. So thats why if they are integrated in this collection, no one walks away, everyone wins. Just we would have to be more patient.
Why was my previous post printed 3 1/2 times? Don't ask me,Loki must be up to his old tricks again to make me look foolish in the eyes of my fellow Asgardians.
@Thor8
basically asking who would want who remade would be a nice start, but we dont need to be asked, there are so many characters that have great alternate costumes EM should just make them. I wouldnt complain. Every figurine could be made better with the experience they have gained, and if not, it would just be nice to see more of the usual suspects.
@Thor8: Don't worry, it wont be taken as such. =)
Well, I have a lot more figurines now than I did when I posted that. I mostly collect the stuff I'm familiar with (obviously) and of characters I really like. I'm not a completionist by any means.
I'm honestly a new Marvel Fan, only getting into the Marvel Universe this year. I've always known who The Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Asgardians, etc were I just didn't know about them. I'm still learning by reading a bunch of different comics and different series. I do learn a lot from posting here and on the SHFF, and I often pick up a different series when I see people talking about said series there.
I know you aren't saying this, but one of my fears with being a new Marvel Fan is that my opinion will be considered less valid than older/longer fans of the series since I'm naturally inclined to like newer characters in the MU (Runaways, YA, New-Xmen etc).
I try to stay open minded, and whenever someone mentions an older character I'm not familiar with, I look them up and learn a little about them before posting an opinion on them, if I have one.
Sister collection and business matters. Learnings from the Marvel Comics publishing house.
I'm no business expert, but it's a no brainer. The very history of the Marvel Comics publishing house shows us that it is possible for a series to branch out, with a new parallel series, and increase business whilst at the same time retaining the original fan base.
For example, you don't have to buy all X-Men series, but the choice is there if you want more than the core series.
There is no reason for CMFC collectors to drop the series if a sister collection hits the market.
The CMFC series continues with the usual logic. And if you like the multipack from the premium sister series (say, Marvel Universe Files: Atlantis), you can buy it.
If you don't like it, you don't buy it. Or, if you like it but don't have the budget, you'll buy
it later - it's always available.
After all, if you are willing to wait 3 years to see a character like Attuma, then why not let EM release it in the parallel series for those who want it now. You can always buy it after 3 years as per your extraordinarily patient plans.
A premium sister EM collection would work extremely well, both as a standalone product (for those who only like thematic multipacks and do not collect CMFC) and as fill-up option for CMFC collectors (as the figures are in the same scale and on the same base), for those collectors who are looking to get ancillary characters for the CMFC figures they have. For example, get Attuma, Namora and Orka for your CMFC Namor.
The majority of CMFC collectors are ready for a sister collection.
Just like Marvel comics fans, CMFC fans will know how to obtain the best from parallel series.
In short: EM happy with successful new business, CMFC fans happy with more of the characters they want.
PS. Fans do get old, and most will stop buying figurines when they enter more adult phases of their lives. I say, give them the figurines they want as quickly as possible, because today's willing buyers may be no longer interested in 5 years time.
Oot, your viewpoint is not less valid than the old coots on here. (Oh, for K-Eyes, I have reached Level 3 in my Adult Phases... whatever the hell "more adult phases" are.) I have zero interest in the Runaways and Young Avengers but they will start appearing eventually, perhaps even in the latest extension. And that's fine. We're going to see more and more of the Marvel Universe explored the longer this collection goes on.
@Kirlianeyes
The problem is, this type of product is expensive, more so than a simple branch off of a comic. Could it be done? Sure. Its just risky.
Also, the problem with your idea, you have set 3 packs, and while I want AoA xmen characters, say if I dont like the 3 pack thats offered? Will I get another chance to buy an AoA 3 pack...and if so, whats the magazine then? Does the magazine cover the characters in that era, or the backstory of the comic? If I choose not to buy your 3 pack because I dont want those characters, that is a huge loss to take for a business, essentially not selling 3 marvel figurines, especially if several people think like this.
It can still work, and I would love to see it. Not as 3 packs, I am happy with single figures...maybe 2 packs to lessen the blow on my wallet. But I dont want the focus to be about certain storylines. I just want characters in their different costumes. This then covers the special storylines, but just gives a history of the character in that costume, what they did in that storyline, if they wore it in another situation etc. It isnt as limited. £6.99 is expensive enough though, and if you produce 2x 2packs a month, £27.97 or whatever it is...thats alot of money.
PS - fans get old and may not wait to collect things. Great statement, as who is to say the fans of the current collection will hang on? Nostalgia is fueling the collection. That will eventually go, then we got nothing.
I'm happy for a sister publication doing it right. But if it is just going to release characters that are just going to end up in the CMFC eventually anyway, there is no point. Its just doing it quicker and more expensive to attain these characters like Attuma. And if a sister publication gets Attuma, does this mean he wont be in CMFC? Those collectors would be pissed. But then if Attuma comes to the CMFC, then you would buy the single character as its cheaper...or maybe a better sculpt.
It should focus on characters, different costumes, personas, eras, alternate dimensions, storylines, whatever. But it shouldnt just hash out a character that will eventually be made in the CMFC just because people are impatient.
some bitter khunt on the the forum has banned me til 2037 ...
Have you really been banned, Ted? If so, what did you do?
LAWay, we must agree to disagree. For me, there is a market for a premium series of multipacks containing exactly 3 figurines, and I am really really hoping EM will start it soon. I will buy two of each multipack, so as to cover for your hypotethical non-purchase.
The element of risk exists in all businesses. There's no difference if EM sells single figures or 3 in one boxset, as you may equally dislike the 3 single figures. The same with mega specials. They are expensive to produce and there is no guarantee they'll find a buyer. No one has the crystal ball to predict, and you should leave your business forecasts to the experts. Instead, you should continue to focus on giving advice on what the multipacks should contain.
Quite frankly, I can't believe you are giving such a hard time to my campaign for multipacks. They'd be awesome, and the official forum poll has confirmed that fans want them. At the end of the day, it's not your opinion or mine. The ontent of the multipacks would be researched and polls would be organised to ensure each multipack makes the majority happy, not just LAWay or Kirlian happy.
As for only obscure characters being left, let me repost what Gremlin said earlier;
"The likes of Firelord, Deatbird, Vance Astro and Gamora are perfect choices for the cosmics. And White Tiger, Darkstar, Owl and Brother Voodoo for the MK's.
Failing that there are a few Avenger villains who are overdue like Count Nefaria, Baron Mordo, Constrictor and the Hood."
There's a pretty good list to show there are still a lot of recognizable, highly wanted characters left.
LA: "or just want 'their' dream wish lists of obscure characters made."
That's me. :D But again, I say there are so many B-listers left, the line can go on for a looong time still before needing redos.
Roberto: "I'm obviously one of the few collectors still not happy about the inclusion of a civilian (JJJ.)
The flood gates are now open!"
JJJ is a Spider-Man villain with no powers. Just like Kingpin. Now, you can't tell me Kingpin should not have been made. And JJJ is far more recognizable, funded the Fly, Scorpion, the Great Game, numerous Spider-Slayers, and the smear campaign. I think characters like this are important. General Ross, for example. Now if Robbie Robertson or Foggy Nelson were made, that's something different.
Doug: "Last figure in this extension? Easy.
Gorilla Man!!!!!"
There ya go. Agents of Atlas! Gorilla Man's more of a special (though a fan favorite, EM, wink wink.) Start off any other, though, and I'll be extremely happy. :D
Kirly, I have to agree with your post on obscure characters. It just seems like every other line produces the A-listers over and over. Can't fans like me just have one line where we can actually get to the characters I've been waiting for so long?
Though in LAWay's defense; a point he's trying to make is that casual collectors aren't going to see Vance Astro, go home and wikipedia him, then come back to buy him. They see Iron Man, and they go, I saw that movie, and buy it. And as we campaign for what we want to see, so does he (as everyone does.) He wants a lead version of Marvel Legends and wants to see dynamic sculpts of the characters he really loves, which are the A-listers. I don't, but I see his side.
And don't dis Pokemon blindly. It's (IMO) the best RPG ever made. ;) And I think I have everyone beat as my license plate is "HYPNO 97"
Thor8: "Yes you're right the moss-men have stated before that they do not see re-sculpts happening any time soon,but they also said JJJ would not be around till after 200 and 'whala' here we have mister congeniality himself in living color."
And Jubilee was made. You just can't trust those shady EM men ;)
Just thought of this...
What about a 3-Pack of resculpts once a year? I'd be fine with this. That gets these redos out of the way all at once, makes those unhappy with past models happy, and only takes up a single slot that doesn't interfere with the regular line-up.
@John
haha thats what i have been saying also. Make resculpts, alternates, redos, whatever you want to call them, make them specials. Do a 3 pack or whatever. It would be cool.
As for what Gremlin said, I consider them obscure, lesser known characters. I would love a constrictor and gamora figurine, but they are hardly lighting up the marvel world and are bit part players.
The best thing marvel legends did was give fans a character they wanted, then gave them a character in a different costume. It had a good balance of variant costumes and obscure characters. I got a Tarantula! He is awesome. A xorn, very cool figure. House of M wolverine, cool uniform, Young Avengers box set! Thor when he is asgardian king or something. I dunno, he just looks badass. A big juggernaut! Antman, goliath and yellow jacket! Marvel Legends seemed more in tune with what fans wanted to keep everyone happy. While many complained of 'another wolverine', kids would buy it, boost sales, and allow for them to produce hydra henchmen. Thats how the CMFC should do it.
@Kirlianeyes
I love the idea, but like I said, where is it going? Will it deliver every member of AoA or just 3? What if I dont want specific era characters, I want Jim Lee designed Cyclops, Jean Grey and Rogue...how do you cram in characters like mystique in when we just want new outfits? I'm all for it, but if its just going to deliver lesser known characters that the CMFC will produce anyway, then I dont see the point.
As for how EM judge things, I guess Megas as based off subscriber numbers who like me are too lazy to turn a figurine down. And a bad run of figurines is balanced out to make sure that there is a 'good one' every so often I would imagine.
But anyway, theres a suggestion. Jim Lee era cyclops, jean grey and rogue. I did suggest Maximum Carnage ages ago but you didnt get around to it. :P
@Ted
what the hell you do man?
Is anyone else having problems with the comments page when trying to leave a comment?
At this point in the collection you are going to be hard pushed to do an entire extension of characters everyone knows. All the big hitters are done and now we are trawling through the B-C list characters.
The key to keeping this collection going is having a decent amount of recognisible characters like Avalanche, Arachne and Count Nefaria and then slipping some of the less well known ones like Starlord and White Tiger.
Personally if I like 12 out of the 20 characaters per extension then I am happy. And so far the only ones I am not overly fussed with are Puppet Master and Thunderbird, so for me this extension is on to a winner.
Have I just woken up in a parallel universe - the most bizarre "Marvel Team UP" of all time has just been witnessed by the drooling fans - Deadpool and Thor.
I can hardly contain myself.
Let's have a straw poll from you die hard blog rats: -
Hands up who wants to see a new version of Captain A and Captain B as sculpts that truly do them justice.
Deadpool has his hand up.
Also who would like to see this done at regular intervals - let's say 1 resulpt every 3 months?
Deadpool has his other hand up.
Finally who would like to see a once a year three pack resculpt special?
Deadpol is jumping around and cheering like an excited little girl at her birthday party.
Nuff said.
Hey all, I think I posted my comment saying I was back on the wrong week...a few days later I left for a nice hot holiday to Zante! Oops haha but hey what a great surprise to come home to...2 of my most wanted figures!
Starting with Forge I gotta admit I did expect him to make the collection but ol' JJJ caught me by surprise! He is a great addition and I can't wait to get him next to the likes of my Spidey and Scorpion figures. Pyro looks much better to by the way.
Now for my choice for last place...it's a tough one, there are loads I still want to see in the collection. My top choices are:
Avalanche - would complete our Brotherhood of Evil
The Owl - One of Daredevil's archenemies
Baron Mordo - Again, a main enemy to Dr Strange
Crossbones - Long overdue Cap villain
Silver Samurai - With Wolvie's 2nd Origins film based on his days in Japan due in the years to come, it would tie in nicely (though I don't yet know if SS will be in the film or not)
If I would have to choose one of these I think I would have to say Avalanche. The Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants has always been one of my favourite Marvel teams so I would like to see that complete.
Keep it real true believers!
SV
Disappointed and a little concerned that we haven't heard from Ted today. You okay, buddy? Whatever happened on the forum does not affect anything here.
I agree with you there on all accounts Deadpool.
And I agree with Gremlin. This newest extension looks a winner, but the thing is the longer it goes, the harder it will be to supply 12 decent characters out of 20. I think 1 or 2 more extensions and the B-C characters would have dried up.
Thats where the variants can come in!
Finaly we could have a decent size Cabel,costume variant on Rouge,Mystique,Sabertooth,Doc oc and Beast.
This will bring life and excitment back into the collection.
People keep saying we need Avalanche to finish the Brotherhood. Wasn't Mastermind also in the team?
There is like four or more diffrent Brotherhood team line ups.
Original line up was, Leader Magneto,Scarlet Witch,Quicksilver,Toad and Mastermind.
Other teams -
Mystiques's Brotherhood
Toad's Brotherhood
Exodus had his own team.
It's Mystiques team that have come more popular,with Destiny, Pyro,Blob and Avalanche.
Go on Comicvine.com to check out the history of the Brotherhood.
Being a Marvel fan for 'quite some time', I feel that my view on things bares some relevance....
This old thorny issue of 'obscure' characters vs. redos of the premier league types is purely down to personal knowledge and interest.
As a Marvel collector I've always been more interested in the slightly lesser known characters. For instance, as a child I collected Marvel Team-up, not because I was a big Spidey fan, but because I was always intrigued by the focus on the 'guest-star'- usually a 'B,C or D lister'. This brings me to the point I'm trying to make, which is basically this- what I love most about the collection is the fact that for the first time anywhere, we are getting quality figures from the WHOLE MU, not just the 'popular'/ commercial characters.
Personally, I have no problem with a limited number of 'redos'- although I would want different costumes/ identities (Ronin, Iron Patriot, Giant-Man, 'Bucky Cap' etc), not just new poses.
However, if EM laid it on the line and said,
'What do you want, 20 redos or 20 new characters?'
I would choose the 20 new characters every time, because it's the diversity of the MU that I love. And IMO we have hundreds of characters to get through before EM start producing what I would consider 'obscure' characters.
BD
Fair enough BD.
When I say 'redos', i dont mean a new pose for the same spidey we have. I want different costumes and identities in different poses. Thats what I want. Not a rehash of the spiderman #1 figurine in black, or Captain America sculpt donned in Bucky's uniform. New sculpts for these new costumes and identities.
I understand your preference, but its a good example in favor for 'redos'. These more 'obscure' characters had to be put into stories/comics with the premier league of marvel characters. Thus, the figurines should also be balanced out by 'redos' of wider known characters.
If we had 5 out of 20 redos per extension, I would be happy to let the argument die.
Oh no! I wouldn't buy any re-dos! The thing I like about this collection and the reason I want to buy them all, is to have as much different characters from the MU I can have. The Spider-man rooftop special and Iron man movie special are not in my collection and won,t ever be! I mean, every single collection have the main characters in so many different costumes. We already have one Wolvie and thats more than enough imo. Now let's go on with the likes of White tiger, Count Neferia, Moonstone, Jessica Jones, Firelord, Hyperion, Vermin, Monet St-Croix, Maximus, Silver Samurai, Wolfsbane, Meggan, Spitfire Arachne, Gamora...I want them all.
I mean, a collection with the likes of Siryn, Songbird, MOckingbird, Wizard, Balder, Destiny, Ares, Tigershark, Photon is just so awesome I can't even believe it. As long as they sell well, keep them coming!
Exactly,if they sell well keep them coming.
When it drops,then maybe thats when
EM can bring some A-listers veriants back in.
Thing is, when it drops, you have to ask why?
Because EM would keep on delivering with the lesser known characters. If sales dropped because it was listening to fans, it would be a disaster. There would be no return.
So many have said they would drop the collection if they introduced redos. So not only would they lose money with no one buying the lesser characters, but then all the collectors would have gone by then and wont buy the redos.
Alot of people on the forums and blogs, despite wanting these lesser known characters, have stated they are not subscribers, nor do they buy many figurines. Makes you think how long it can keep going with that mentality.
Integrate them both. If you dont want them, dont buy them. If the sales are poor on the redos, EM will stop doing them, and you win.
The problem with rooftop spidey and iron man special were that they were poor. not great sculpts, with the spidey special being 70% wall. If Em gave fans something a little more exciting, then I am sure people would change their minds. If not...who cares? I am sure there are plenty who dont buy alot of lesser characters or poor sculpts, and plenty would embrace redos.
Sure, its just speculation and chitchat right now, but it has to be on the cards in the near future.
"So many have said they would drop the collection if they introduced redos."
I think I was the only one that said that, and I've since been convinced to keep going and just skip the redos. And I'm not a subscriber, but I own every figurine (minus the variants.) And I actually do own the Movie Iron Man and Rooftop-Spidey, mainly because I got into the collection just last October and had heard they were not doing anymore redos and I wanted a full collection. I actually think the Movie Iron Man looks AMAZING in its detail and full execution, I just don't want any more.
Every buyer is so different, it must be hard for EM to tell exactly how things would go if they change formula...
Anyway, its good to see Max is on my side in terms of redos. :D
The more I think about it, the more puzzling it gets. On one hand, you've got LAWay's argument that a few A-Listers sprinkled in now and then would boost sales. When I go to Wal-Mart and see a line of Star Wars figures, I look for Boba Fett and then move on. I just don't care about the others.
But as others have said, Marvel fans love the lesser known characters. You've got me begging for the Uranian, Robert wants Recorder, 3-in-1 wants the Stepford Cuckoos, there's been requests for Quicksand and Slyde... So does it stick with what the current buyers have been expecting, or cater a little to the casual buyer?
To just give an honest answer, I would have been with this since the beginning, but didn't know about it because my comic guy doesn't regularly carry it. I'm sure a lot don't. I get them from him through Diamond now, but I sure had to go out of my way. I doubt somebody's aunt is going to wander into a comic book store and start asking the owner if they have any merchandise of a recent movie character, in a durable form, let alone lead for their nephew. There's something else; it's in lead. Casual buyers aren't getting lead figurines. They find Marvel Legends action figures at Wal-Mart.
I think just in the way you have to search out the product, the material its made of, and the general mindset (general, not defining) of Marvel fans, this isn't a casual customer product. Its for collectors that want a good representation of the MU in a quality product. Or in other words (speculating) I doubt redos would really "help" sales.
Now that's just an argument against redos helping sales. The argument on whether CMFC consumers WANT redos for themselves is entirely different.
Again, I look for A-Listers at Wal-Mart. I look for what I want at a Comic Shop.
I reckon the collection has a good two more extensions before re-dos come in.
Rich has already said he wont include variants just yet.
If the collection can carry on with lesser known characters then that's brilliant!
I have one or two i would like in the collection myself.But that does'nt mean i would buy Quicksand or Slyde tho just the ones i like.
Like Gremlin said he likes 12 of 20figs so far in this extension.Maybe after two extensions collectors may like only 5 or 6 out of 20 figs.
This would obviously be due to lesser known characters coming into the collection.Is it worth just doing 20 unkown characters in collection?
We've got a good two years before we see whats best for the collection then.
Who knows the lesser known characters might be famous by then?
One thing EM cant leave out Archangel fig with his metal wings!It can potentially be an amazing sculpt.
Personally I wouldn't consider characters whom have had more than one super identity a re-do. Yellow Jacket is already in the collection,if EM were to add Giant-Man and/or Goliath to this collection(which I hope they do) I would not consider it a re-do,same thing goes for Hawkeye-Ronin,Bucky-Winter Soldier,etc. When I'd look at them I would see different heroes, different identities,not Hank Pym three times but rather Yellow Jacket,Goliath and Giant-Man. In my book this is way different than seeing The Wasp made in every uniform she has worn in her career because they all represent the same identity; THE WASP.(speaking of Wasp where's Jacadoo?) Maybe what we need to do is define WHAT IS OR ISN'T A RE-DO!
In my opinion this is what I think:
RE-DO: A figurine of a character that has already been done wearing the same exact uniform(costume) but in a different pose.
Variant: A figurine of a character that has already been done wearing a different uniform and done in a different pose.
cop-out: A figurine of a character that has already been done in the same exact pose with just a color change that I could most likely have done myself.
Different: A figurine of a character that has already been done,under a different identity,wearing a different uniform and done in a different pose.
New A figurine of a character that has not been previously done.
So there you have it,I hope this will be of help to someone. Now I'll just take a step back and wait for the bricks ,stones and sticks to start flying my way!
These are the definitions I used a while back, Thor8... and then Bob pointed out that Eaglemess use the term "variant" to mean a repaint. Not sure what the answer to this terminology problem is but we can't use the same term in a different way to Eaglemoss.
P.S. How you doing, Ted? The place is quiet without you!
Rich said a while back on possible futre variants,EM actually have considerd doing variants in a diffrent pose to the original fig!
So it wont be the matter of just changeing the paint.
This one might be a bit on the 'rambly' side (no change there I hear some of you cry..), because I'm not sure yet of the point I'm trying to make...
First of all I'd just like to say that I loved Thor8's definitions of the variety of figurine which could be possible! Especially the 'cop-out' catagory- which is a straight forward repaint of an existing sculpt, and is what EM term a 'variant'.
I must say however, that EM have so far got me by the nose, because I am 'guilty' of purchasing all the variants so far on offer.. IN THIS COUNTRY- (are YOU listening EM??!!).
I knew they were just repaints at the time. EM showed images of what they would look like etc- so I don't feel conned about it like some have stated a while ago...In fact I really like the alternative Angel (first one), and the Dark Pheonix figure I display as a separate entity to Jean grey in her Pheonix costume- so that one really works IMO.
HOWEVER, because I'm a completist, I went ahead with Grey Hulk and white costume Cap Marvel Junior, which to be perfectly honest (particularly with the latter), did not need to be made- how many people saw CMJ's white costume?? Must've existed for a whole 5 minutes..
BUT..as stated, EM have got their hooks in me and I would buy more variants if they were offered. AT LEAST it would have been a sure thing right up to the aformentioned GREEN QUICKSILVER DEBACLE!!!
You see, now that I feel cheated out of being a 'completist' by EM THEMSELVES, I'm really not sure if I would instantly buy a variant again!!!*
Whew- got that off my chest...
BD
*PS....unless it was the cool Red Costumed Iron-Fist of course!
PPS. Robert and Thor8- I've just been sent the Third Volume of Simonson's Thor Saga. However I'm still waiting for Vol. 1!!!!AAAAGH!!
You've waited since the early 1980s, Bob, so a wee bit longer won't matter. I thoroughly recommend that you also buy the Black Panther Jungle Action Masterwork due out at the end of the month. It's also brilliant and amongst the best comics I've ever read. Mind you, Simonson's Thors are perhaps THE best comicbooks I've ever read. Take away Starlin's early Warlocks and it would be a dead cert.
By the way, when does Volume 3 stop? Simonson was writer for a fair chunk of time, and passed over to Sal Buscema for a while. Sal did some of the best work of his career - the Jormungand issue is wonderful - and I was reading the other day how Simonson says that Sal inspired him to write some of his best comics. You will love it, Bob. I am jealous and pleased for you at the same time.
Laughing out loud, Deadpool puts fingers to keyboard and begins yet another bile filled response on the subject of Redo's.
"You deluded blog rats", Deadpool declared to no one in particular.
With a wicked look in his eyes Deadpool continued,
"If the Mossmen produced a figure, you'd crave it like a junkie craves his next fix"
As if confessing some perverted sin, Deadpool went on,
"Secretly we all dream of owning a non weedy Captain america and a curvaceaous Black widow"
A quiver or quake in Deadpool's voice eluded to his growing instability as he exclaimed,
"Moss-men you owe us your very existence so grow some nuts and put the Resculpts into production NOW!!!! and sod the fair weather nit pickers who have forfeited the right to call themselves Friends of old Marvel"
DP, I've been unimpressed by your appearances up till now, but your wisecracks in the last issue of DoomWar were hilarious. LOVED the line about Prof. X.
;0) I'm speechless lol.
Such high praise from such a noble weblog rodent.
Good night kind sir.
If I am a rodent, can I be a Stainless Steel Rat, DP? I'll say nice things about you to Inskip...
Hi Robert,
Totally agree with you about the Jungle Action/ Black Panther run, in fact I recommended it myself here not long ago!
I have all the originals, however did you know that McGregor (that was the writer's name wasn't it?)did a sequel in 'Marvel Comics Presents'- the bi-weekly anthology comic from the early 90's(same one that originally presented Windsor-Smith's Weapon X ..). Now THAT is a collection I'd love to get hold of but missed out on... Do you think they'd do an Essentials Black Panther Vol 2? Trouble is they'd probably do all the weird Kirby stuff first, which I wasn't a fan of...Liked him usually, but he didn't suit Black Panther IMO.
After the MCP series McGregor did a 4 part prestige-format series called Panther's Prey, which was another sequel to JA's Panther's Rage, and featured a lot of the supporting cast from that series. This I managed to get hold of and it was pretty good...
On the subject of the Simonson Thor's...They do publish 5 vols altogether, but the recommendations seemed to emphasis that the first 3 read as one epic. I thought I'd give those a go before commiting to Vols 4 and 5.
BD
Ah. Thanks for the tip, BD, I'll definitely go off and look for those comics! I also have the JA originals (pre-eBay, it took YEARS to fill the gaps) but had not heard about the later stuff. Cool. Completely agree with you about Kirby, too. Weird nails on BP's gloves and King Solomon's Frog?! Huh?!! I
"Panther's Quest", 25 8-page installments in Marvel Comics Presents #13-37 (Feb-Dec 1989). Tragically, it is "illustrated" by Obscene Gene Colan. I am beyond disappointed.
"Panther's Prey", 4-issue prestige format series (Sep 1990-Nov 1991) drawn by Dwayne Turner.
Artist Dwayne McDuffie on "Panther's Rage":
“This overlooked and underrated classic is arguably the most tightly written multi-part superhero epic ever. If you can get your hands on it, sit down and read the whole thing. It's damn-near flawless, every issue, every scene, a functional, necessary part of the whole."
Hear, hear.
I'd love to see Madame Masque.
Also hope you guys are still considering a MODOK special; at one point his popularity was in question there, but that can no longer be the case, since he's been everywhere over the last couple years at Marvel...
25 8-page installments!? Wow that is long! And yeah, I thought it was probably drawn by Gene Colan, because I saw at least one installment a long time ago. Felt loathed to tell you though Robert, knowing your POV on the subject however!! Still, artist aside for a moment, don't you think it sounds an intriguing series to read? I think it would be a wonderful collected volume, and is the 2nd part of mcGregor's Trilogy after all.
By the way.... King Solomon's Frog?...what about The Black Musketeers!!?
Even as a wee nipper, I couldn't understand how Marvel could follow the elegance of Jungle Action with the absolute crud of Kirby's series! What's worse of couse, is more people are aware of Kirby's run than McGregor's!
Ah well...
BD
I know it's a longshot...but how about Husk? She'd extend the Generation X team and the Guthrie family...plus she's downright cool...even if she isn't that big of a character.
I fully approve Thor8's definitions and is how I see the term 'redo', 'variant's etc.
As well as cop out. I will never buy a shoddy repaint figure. NEVER!
Personally, I want the different characters/identities foremost. Then I want the variant costumes for characters. Never EM, never do repaints ever again.
Bob, I can't help but feel that you should have said. I was like a kid on Christmas morning when you first mentioned it. "A sequel to one of the greatest comic epics ever!! How did I miss that? This is like winning the lottery and then finding Kelly Brook in your bed!"
Then I saw who the artist was and I fell from the sky onto jagged rocks.
P.S. I can't help but notice that we still haven't heard from Ted. I hope he has not gone for good. This blog wouldn't be the same without him.
I've noticed this thing you have for Kelly Brook before Robert!
Anyway.. yeah, it's a bit ironic really isn't it? You really want the sequel to one of the greatest sagas produced by Marvel...and it turns out it's drawn by the one guy who's style you absolutely hate!
Got to admit, although I like Colan's style on a number of titles, I am a bit switched off by him being the artist on this project. The original guy would have been excellent- Billy Graham was it? (not the Evangelist...)
The point is probably moot anyway, because the chances of seeing this Panther sequel reprinted are probably very slim...and I'm not going to chase down 25 copies of MCP just for one story! There's dedication and then there's obsession...
On the subject of Ted (my favourite Surreal blogger)
...hope you're reading this blog still Ted BTW....We certainly need you back and like Robert stated earlier, it certainly would not be the same without you!!!
Cheers for now,
BD
Don't we all have a "thing" for Miss Brook, Bob? And Kim Kardashian, etc. I'm happily married, not dead.
Anyway, I don't see why Panther's Quest won't be collected. Partly because it was so many small parts. Not going to happen soon, but comic fans are nothing if not patient and you know what they say about things coming to those who wait.
And very glad you mentioned Ted. Have to confess I am slightly disappointed and surprised that no one else had shown some concern that he was silent and perhaps departed. Even if he did say something inappropriate on the forum (and I admit I don't know what it was that caused the ejection), we all make mistakes.
... meanwhile, on planet Kirlian in a parallel universe...
MARVEL UNIVERSE FILES:
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY
From the new EM collection that runs in parallel with the main CMFC, a series of special studies on the Marvel Universe covering major sagas and story arcs, alternate realms and dimensions, secret organisations and mysterious artefacts, and much more.
MARVEL UNIVERSE FILES
15_awesome_figurines
From the first five
Marvel Universe Files:
- Heralds of Galactus
- Alien Races
- Atlantis
- Age of Apocalypse
- Guardians of Apocalypse
I would like to hear from my friend Ted as well. I'd also like to hear from Pirate Adam and Jacadoo.
Oh and Richard, If you could please explain why Ant Man was skipped on the main site I'd appreciate it.I just hope it was an honest mistake and not that he is being postponed.
Along with the last choice for this extension I hope Rich will let us know what the rules for the competition will be. Maybe it could be a 10 question trivia based on this collection and info found in the mags.
Reminiscing for a while Robert...seeing as no one else seems to be on this tonight....
Did you ever read the first version of 'Heroes for Hire'- the one from the 90's?
It starred Jim Hammond (de-powered Torch at the time),Black Knight, Powerman, Iron-Fist, Antman(Lang), She-Hulk, Hercules and Thena (Eternals). To me this was probably the best new series Marvel had in the 90's. Amazing cast, excellent art, action-packed stories ( the legendary John Ostrander was the writer).
A breath of fresh air...even better than The Avengers at the time (actually this was during the whole 'post-Onslaught' era, when The Avengers, FF, Ironman and Cap were all 'rebooted' by the Image Comics Crew....so The Avengers was crap at the time anyway!)
Anyway, H4H went on to introduce the only decent 'New' White Tiger- actually one of The High Evolutionary's New Men. She was a brilliantly designed character, but alas she devolved back into tiger form at the end of the series ( she would have made a superb figurine!).
H4H had some excellent guest-stars, and the last arc with Shang-Chi, Deadpool and Cat was amazing....
So what happens to one of the truly 'Classic' series of the decade?.....they only go and cancel it after 19 issues.
I was mortified and stunned, surely I wasn't the only one reading it?
Ah well, a few years ago they did another version with Misty, Colleen, Shang-Chi and a few others- it was ok, but not a patch on the original.
IMO if marvel had just stuck with it a little longer, they would have a winning series on their hands with a strong fan-base, just like the other great series that startd at the same time- The Thunderbolts.
Now, if they ever reprint this, I urge you (all) to go out and buy it- a 'modern' classic' if ever there was one!
BD
Possible poses for JJJ;
Classic civilian JJJ; A rolled up bugle copy in one hand and a Spider-Man mask in the other(possibly a clenched fist raised in the air).
Classic JJJ; sticking pins into a Spider-Man doll.(heh heh heh)
JJJ Special; JJJ,control in hand with a Spider-slayer (preferably the second model) standing besides him with his ugly mug showing on the face screen.
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Bob, didn't buy the Heroes for Hire series but now sorry I didn't after your recommendation. The 1990s - especially when Avengers, FF, Cap, Iron Man were going through the Heroes Reborn debacle - were so bad I almost gave up buying new comics. As for cancelled series, I was a big fan of Dreadstar in the '80s and couldn't understand it when Marvel dropped it. Yes, it went downhill soon afterwards but still, it was Jim Starlin for God's sake. I also thought the Infinity Watch was a wonderfully crazy series for a good while and no one seems to remember it much now. The Infinity Gauntlet is forever having collected editions released and yet the Watch is largely ignored. I suppose the Gauntlet series did have all the big guns in it and was drawn by Perez, but still... And let's not forget the patchy history of Warlock. The Thomas-Kane stuff is okay but I can understand the poor sales. Then Starlin came along, worked his magic, and despite phenomenal word of mouth it was still a poor seller. Adam hopped from Strange Tales to his own title to annuals so that his tale could be completed. Unbelievable to think that now.
Robert, talking of the 'patchy' history of Adam Warlock, did you follow his saga during the time he was a regular in The Ultraverse(Malibu Comics)?
Now that was a weird time in Marvel continuity...we had Black Knight and Sersi whisked away to The Ultraverse right after the amazing Proctor/ Gatherers arc in Avengers. Then Juggernaut and a few other X-related bad guys turn up there as members of The Exiles (original Malibu version), and meanwhile Adam Warlock became a regular co-star of Rune (the character Barry Windsor-Smith created for Malibu).
A very odd time... but some OK moments all the same. Adam had a distinctive look 'over there', and the story was centred around The Infinity Gems that had somehow managed to get lost in The Ultraverse.
Now, unlike most of the cross-over stuff with DC etc, these stories set in The Ultraverse are supposed to be seen as canon.
As an aside, one of the best things that came out of the whole Marvel/ Malibu era was an amazing 2-part Avengers/ Ultraforce team-up, drawn by George Perez- well worth getting hold of if you can.
The whole thing was to do with Marvel buying out Malibu...but when the dust had settled there was no more Ultraverse. Marvel (I guess) own all those characters, but have done nothing with them since...quite a shame really because some of them were good, solid, well-conceived heroes and villains.
BD
PS. I almost forgot!
Probably the best Marvel/ Malibu comic was a one-off issue starring Conan and Rune...written and drawn by Barry Windsor-Smith!! This was the first time Smith had drawn Conan since the early 70s. It was a beautiful piece of work. Instant Classic!
Bob, don't know much about the Ultraverse stuff. I did buy the Warlock issues off eBay about two years ago... and then it was withdrawn after purchase for some reason. Never did get around to buying them again. In fact, wasn't there also a Surfer comic with BWS, with Perez and J. Buscema covers? Really should get round to buying them but with Masterworks, regular monthlies, the CMFC and collected editions every month, along with odd items like quiz books (!), I probably can't and shouldn't buy any more! When I was a kid, this was a cheap hobby - 10p a pop. Now it's £2.80 or £3 a time (I think) just for a single comic and it's a bloody expensive pasttime.
ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzxx.
Photo of the rather snazzy-looking Ronan on the main site, available for pre-order. Excuse my senility, but when did Rich say he would be out?
Hi Robert!
I don't know of any BWS Silver Surfer comic, but there was the famous callaboration between Stan Lee and French artist Moebius in the 80's or 90's...is that the one you're thinking of?
The Surfer did have a one-shot with Malibu's Rune (which started the whole Infinity Gems in The Ultraverse thing going...). It may have been drawn by John Buscema- but I can't remember- sorry.
On a different note... I've just come back from my weekly visit to my local comic shop, and the excellent bloke who works there announced that he and his family were moving up north NEXT WEEK! I was gutted... he was/is a real pal, and we would talk for ages about comics, music, TV, films etc.
The place will not be the same without him- a real genuine font of all knowledge...and a gentleman to boot.
New comics today.... Shadowlands 1, Steve Rogers- Super Soldier 1, DC's Secret Six, Garth Ennis's The Boys.....a good week I think!
BD
PS. sorry for boring you there Thor8!!
It's not you or Robert that are boring me Bob my friend,it's the lack of comments from everyone else.Where has everyone gone to? I just hope that tomorrow's blog will be worth the 2 weeks waiting time and that the final installment for this extension will have been worth the waiting.Out of the 16 already confirmed I like and will most probably buy 14 of them.
Hi Thor, my new bestest Marvel Team up Buddy.
To liven things up I could alway start hurling abuse at everyone, just like in the good old days.
At least that sparked some good debates, plenty of pouting and more than a few lynch mobs chanting "down with Deadpool".
As you all may know I have more than a little affection for the fairer sex.
Some would say they look fair and act foul - a point I would tend to agree with.
Let's listt our top 5 Marvel Babe list for any future extension.
Deadpool's Drool list
1. Darkchylde - Hellbabe
2. Kate "Bootylicious" Bishop Hawkeye girly.
3. Sister Grimm - Gothic - Mystic Arcana
4. Echo - well worth repeating
5. Witchfire - Looks like the girly out of the group Halestorm
List your favourites if you dare.
If you don't you'll be confirming the rumours guys ... especially those about our resident hill billy and pug-washer.
;0)
Not sure where "up north" is, especially when I don't know how southerly your starting point is, Bob, but if he's heading to Glasgow I'll keep an eye on him for you. Tell him to watch out for the guy with the SHIELD patch on his motorcycle jacket. As for the comics, the artists may just have been doing covers. It wasn't the Moebius special you're talking about. (Stan says that Surfer special was one of his career highlights. He's a huge Moebius fan.)
Thor8, one of the reasons you're bored is the absence of Ted...
Also, am I the only one who thinks DP isn't getting enough of the good stuff at home? His constant references to curvy women is rather worrying. ;)
As they say up here - there's nowt wrong with a good looking lass.
The Shi Devil is my favourite girly, but no matter how often you have steak, occasionally you crave the odd burger ;0)
I of course mean that in a CMFC context.
Phew that disclaimer was typed just in the nick of time.
I find the female form of the CMF and DC figures the most pleasing to the eye.
Kate "Hawkeye" Bishop.
Recent art work that represents her in bloom is the best excuse to pummel a senior member of the clergy in living memory.
At least that's what I overheard PA whispering to Jimbob.
So, a last competition before a possible new update, inspired by Deadpool of course, Steak or Burgers? Oh, hang on, we already had that with Fanny or Tranny...
Okay, three questions for Rich, everyone!
ROBERT'S THREE QUESTIONS.
1. ANT MAN. CANCELLED OR MISTAKE ON THE MAIN SITE?
2. SIZE-CHANGERS. ARE THEY MORE LIKELY TO BE NORMAL SIZE OR SPECIALS?
3. WHEN - ARE - WE - GOING - TO - HEAR - ABOUT - THE - SPECIAL - PROJECT?????
I find it hard to believe in all the countless storylines of the last 40 + years that we have never encounterd a major charachter who is a naturist?
I think this would make a fantastic Marvel event type series. As the likes of She Hulk, Tigra,Emma Frost etc have to go undercover and underwearless to infiltrate the naturist stronghold of the mysterious Dr Throb.
DP
Other news just in - apparently Jimbob was the aforementioned senior Member of the clergy.
Oh dear ....
Count me in ....
It sounds absolutely Throbtastic or even Throbulent.
I suggest that the super girl team would be called The Commandos.
Not necessarilty for their lack of underpants, but for their combat and infiltration skils.
PS Ted You look rather fetching in your blue balaclava.
PPS - Robert has been fretting at your recent absence - I suspect he too with be Throbbing with glee at your return.
OK Robert I have a question -
Wouldn't my girly list for inclusion in the collections fall into the category of "Size Changers"?
Oooh errrr missus.
@Thor8: Just an fyi, I responded to your question a while back. Also, I keep track of the blog now, I just don't usually respond since the conversations usually degrade down to silliness. I say this with all the love one can offer, but Deadpool is a prime example. lol
As for tomorrow's update, even though it's highly improbable I'm hoping my long and convincing post was able to persuade Rich. Even if it doesn't, It would be nice if they tossed in a curve-ball. I'm likely to be incredibly disappointed if it's indeed Vance Astro. Vance's confirmation would also make me incredibly suspicious of a certain group of people, since this is far too much to just simply call it a coincidence.
;)
Either way, the more figurines the better. Since the collection will go on longer, etc.
Oh, I also would have been more active, but my birthday was two days ago so I was busy since the 4th. lol
Also, I wouldn't worry too much about Ted. He's fine, though he broke a few major rules on the forum and posted some inappropriate things which lead him to getting banned.
Again, I'm sure the big fella is doing fine though, we'll hear from him soon when there's an update.
Yah, Ted's back!
Now, let's get Eaglemoss Investigations to look for Pirate Adam and Jackadoo.
OoT: "The conversations usually degrade down to silliness." And this is bad because...
will people stop saying i was banned for " innapropriate behaviour" This makes me sound like Gary Glitter.
I lost the rag with a dick on the forum and that heady scottish mixture of sunstroke and stella took it's toll, resulting in my ban.
At no point did i groom anyone :)
Anywho my Cap America screen test didn't go as well as i would have hoped
Re: Malibu
Saw the mention of Marvel buying the Malibu stuff. You're correct, the did. However... due to some aspect of the contract, Marvel can't do anything with the characters without paying the original creators. So for that reason, we will likely never see the Malibuverse or it's characters ever again at Marvel.
Also saw that someone was once again asking for Darkchylde. Just don't see it happening... considering that Eaglemoss is doing Magik already. I rather doubt they're going to do two versions of the same character. And she's more well known as Magik. As I recall the poll on the forums is leaning towards the basic X-Men uniform with the armored arm and her soulsword.
"will people stop saying i was banned for " innapropriate behaviour""
Well, you were. So why pretend otherwise?
I don't know if being banned from the forum is so bad,I've practically have banned myself from it,being that I haven't posted there in ages. I don't know if it's my lack of knowledge on how to log into many of these sites or if the SHFF is just too darn complicated,but I've never really felt too comfortable there. I also feel that they seem to be kind of one sided on many of there polls and preferences. It may just be me but that's how I truly feel (no offense meant to anyone).
I echo your 3 questions to Rich,Robert and I add one of my own; When will the rules for this extension's comp be announced?
Part of me is impressed by "he broke a few major rules on the forum". Not one, not two, but a few! I suppose if you're going to go, it's better to go with a bang!
Seriously, though, couldn't it have been solved with an apology or some mediation? We all let off steam and say things we regret later and it seems a tad harsh to fling a lifetime ban at someone. What do moderators do, anyway? It all seems rather draconian to me...
" well you were so why pretend otherwise"
I wasn't disputing the fact that my ban was warranted, I was joshing about the term "innapropriate behaviour" that makes me sound like a Beast! See what i mean Beast?
The reason this blog works is because it's dead easy and very COOL. The regulars are cool, the layout is cool, the vibe is cool...
Ted and other arsy types will always have a place on here ...because it's COOL!!
End of sermon...
The Rev BD
Preach it brother!
You know, I always thought when BD signed his posts, he was just posting a smilie face wearing sunglasses.
DP's Top Marvel babes
5)Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew - 2 reasons
4)Ms Marvel - blonde bombshell
3)She Hulk - shes green. Its liek star trek
2)Rogue - The accent
1)Mystique - logically, she is every character and woman in the world.
Perv post signing out.
I only jest about Ted. I meant he touched my heart.
...although he told me it was in my pants...
Well today is Friday and hopefully we will get the last of Em's picks....
lets make it a good one...
..
go cosmic
Np update to report just yet.
Someone mentioned Ronin was on the site?
Maybe that will be the update.
Although we need to know more about the last place, the competition for our spot, the super secret project...and so much more.
Honestly, if the super secret project has been canned, at least tell us guys. If its still going, then tell us too. Keep the details if you have to, but no mention for ages now has us all curious, frustrated and worried.
What is this about a super secret project. I can't find a blog update which mentions it? Or is this something thats been theorised by someone like Deadpool?
Rich mentioned it donkeys ago. And then said nothing. It was months and months ago now.
Kirly, that picture of all 15 characters together looks amazing. :D
no update again?! It only takes a few minutes to sort out. Come on EM! You have the photos, you are probably on the computer all day...whats going on!?
Even without photos, it would be nice if the update remained regular. No football distractions either.
What the hell are we going to talk about for another week?
I have a suggestion Law ... if there is no update then let's make this "Pay Homage to Deadpool week"
Yes it's Deadpool week.
Where everyone can say nice things to me and send me large and small donations to the following: -
PO Box 6969 DP
Large donations are much better than small ones - just for info.
The secret project is obviously so secret that Rich isn't even allowed to come out and confirm that it does or does not exist. I fact, I have to come round to your house and murder you just for reading this message. Then jump into a vat of acid just like the one that bad Shellhead LMD tried to do to Stark so many years ago.
Anyway, if you want to help, leave your front door open please.
HAHAHAHA
no update again!!!
DeadPool your Pretty!!!!
PA
i spy with my little eye something begining with......b
Is this 'b' word going to get anyone banned from the blog, Ted...?
well.....maybe?.... is a blackened banana in my wastepaper basket. on the " inapropriate" list?
So if the "dean" was Gene. Robert, who was " Gorgeous" ?
George???
Ted,
Is it George Tuska.? I'm only guessing this, because you and Robert have mentioned before about GT's art on the 70's Ironman comic....and it does sound very familiar.
BD
Indeed PA, George Tuska, Imagine a guy with a name like that being obsessed with oversized teeth?... go figure
Darn, missed the game. Tuska was a handsome, blond-haired, All-America, Steve Rogers-lookalike in his youth, hence the nickname.
Okay, my wonderful wife bought me a t-shirt today with the cover drawn by "Mirthful..."?
Marie Severin??
Well done, Bob Diamond "Geezer". It is Hulk #105. A rather fetching Hulk erupting from the earth!
First its the delay of updates, then it'll be the increase of prices, the delay of magazines and final the death of the collection.
Of course, I am just scare mongering, but annoyed that theres no update again.
Dont know you you realized, but the human torch in your banner is upside down.
Maybe Monday? Would they do that with a final figurine announcement?
Oh c'mon,It's a quarter after midnight here in the Caribbean as I write these words. I was unable to sit at my computer all day due to other urgent matters that needed tending,so when I finally get the chance,I expect to see a new update with the last pick for the extension and at least 40 or 50 new posts and I just can't believe that we've been stood up once again. AAARRRGGG!
Rich, you mentioned awhile back about how tempted you were to confirm a Young Avenger in this extension. How much longer can you fight that unyielding urge? Perhaps only until the next update? ;)
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Wiccan ;)
FORTNIGHTLY UPDATES
As Rich's workload is such that he obviously finds it impossible to post an update every week why don't we suggest fortnightly updates to him? I love the idea of weekly updates but the situation as it is must frustrate Rich and it certainly disappoints us. Yes, yes, I know that he has struggled to post updates even every two weeks. Nevertheless, this is a more realistic target.
P.S. No offense to Colossus, but I hope we don't see the Young Avengers for a while. They will come one day, just hopefully after folk like the High Evolutionary and Swordsman.
Heh, I am using the Home Delivery Network courier service for the first time , my local drop off point is a chip shop 9 miles up the road? Just got to love all this rural quaintness.
LAWAY young fella if your still doing requests i would love to see your take on Ulysses and Elsa Bloodstone. I want him proper tooled up mind!
If you played Resi 5 remember that triple or was it quadruple barreled sawn off shotgun Wesker used?
A mere doddle to a man with your abilities
@Ted
Haha, perhaps I will hold ransom on my requests and only draw characters that I agree with being in the collection. Meaning I doubt I will draw those two. :P
I dont see how young avengers are any less worthy than alot of characters being discussed. I would love a Patriot.
People have been saying 'vance astro', but how old is that character? He has 142 appearances. Patriot who is relatively new already has 138 comic appearances, and is more involved with the marvel universe nowadays so his appearances will only increase, and thus giving him more history and more to write about than your cosmic captain america wannabe.
Also, if they are going to do anyone, surely they would make Vance Astro's alias, Justice, who has more history.
I had a thought the other night while perusing my figs, and putting them onto newly delivered stepped display units.....(Geek Heaven, cue noises like Homer makes when thinking about burgers..)
...After all this talk about the possibility of Variants, civilians, generic characters etc etc.... it occured to me that we already have examples of them! Let me show you....
Civilian:
Lilandra
She's not a 'superhero', but is basically a 'Cosmic Civilian' (if there is such a thing!)
Generic Character:
1. Sentinel
He is A Sentinel not THE Sentinel.
2.Dead German Soldier (OK-bad taste..)
Variants (or as they are known now, 'cop-outs')
Grey Hulk, Dark Pheonix, crap Cap Marvel Junior etc
Redos
Roof-Top Spidey (or Standing Spidey depending on which one you got first..)
Alternative Costume
1. Black Costume Spidey (on Roof-top)
2. Movie version Ironman mk. 1
So there you go, egs. of all the things you guys want already in the collection...don't know where I'm going with this, but I thought I'd point it out anyway.
Oh... easy one-
'Dashing....?'
BD
would that be DH, BD ?
As the " professional" has wimped out on me. Check out NoWay cartoons to see the majesty of the Bloodstones, As my old dance instructor used to say " tits n teeth luvvie, tits n teeth!"
Initially started as a response to Robert, but then turned into a campaign post lol
Since the Young Avengers' introduction, they've been involved in a lot of the big Marvel events (Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Siege) and are currently center stage in Avengers: Children's Crusade during the search for Scarlet Witch. (Wiccan feels very much like the main character of the first issue, and I expect that to continue.) They've got fans and even though they're newer characters, and despite not having a stable on-going series, they're racking up appearances quickly and don't feel like they're disappearing any time soon. This extension is already filled with older characters, so seeing some fresher blood would be a nice change of pace.
I also don't understand the mindset of "yes, but not before _______." We get 20 new figurines each extension. Leaving one spot for, let's say, Wiccan, won't dampen High Evolutionary's chances. Nor is there some sort of hierarchy of what order characters should be chosen.
Oh, just as a side note, we're getting figurines announced so early that this extension won't even be finished being released until 2012. So no matter who gets in, we won't be seeing them for awhile =(
Is anybody else having to continually re-set their password, every time they try and leave a comment?
But why oh why JJJ - next the duck.....
Ronan oh hell yes!!!!
Better leave two posts this time - who knows when I will get back in...
I see re-dos are a topic of conversation again, although Im a supporter of a few of the original sculpts being re-done, highly unlikley when they have characters like Stingray waiting....
You argue a strong case for their inclusion, Colossus. I was only expressing personal preference. I would prefer to see the Swordsman (and Jacadoo's suggestion, Stingray) before any Young Avengers, that's all I was saying. I bought all the series you mentioned - Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign and Siege - and appreciate their growing relevance and popularity. I would understand and wouldn't be at all surprised if they were to be included in the last confirmed, non-vote slot. BUT I would still much prefer Swordsman, Mantis, etc. We just have different tastes.
Y'know,just thinking that if Swordsman were to be confirmed as the last inclusion in this extension it won't be until 2012 like Colossus said that I'll have him in my collection. So I would gladly prefer having someone else filling that slot if I could only be sure that Swordsman and Mantis would be the next double pack made. This would be awesome because I would be getting 2 really great looking characters in one stroke and very much sooner also! And speaking of double packs,if indeed EM decides to make a Northstat and Aurora double pack as they have hinted recently,could you fill Northstar's slot with Stingray or Arachne?
Stingray in Northstars slot? . I'm sure he would make a fist of it
Fair enough, Robert. It really does come down to personal preference for how soon we want to see certain characters, with us wanting our favorites to be made sooner rather than later.
If it's becoming too difficult for Rich to post a new up-date weekly couldn't he and Dan The Man alternate,thus relieving Rich of some of the work load? It wouldn't even have to be every alternate week,but just in those moments when Rich would be to caught up with other things to tend to the blog. What doth thou think of this?
Jacadoo you really are a legend
"why oh why JJJ"
i couldn't agree more
PA
I think your idea is a great one, Thor8, although I wonder if we couldn't go a stage further.
What if we had different members of the EM team posting at different times? So Rich would come on and announce the next figure in the extension. Then a week (or two) later Dan could post, addressing some of the questions that fall into his remit. When we don't have any reveals or announcements coming up, Rich could ask a scupltor to write a short piece, explaining the sculpting process or some of the thinking behind poses. Rich could even make us aware of a "visiting" guest blogger a week or so in advance so that we could generate a few questions.
That sounds like a lot of work but it isn't really. Of course Rich would still be the main blogger, with others - if they were willing - giving us another perspective on how we get these great little figurines. That would help Rich, who plainly has too much to do to write weekly, and reinvigorate the blog.
My argument for the inclusion of Wiccan now as opposed to later is that he's a member of a larger fan-favorite team. High Evolutionary (a character I really like) can be made at any time.
If we hold off on the Young Avengers... basically, we can't have too many of one team per extension, so I'd like to see a new team started with the last spot so they're not crammed together later. Young Avengers, Agents of Atlas, heck, even the Guardians of the Galaxy, but just so the team gets started.
For those of you who are NOT a fan of a certain team, imagine how it would be if there were no inclusion for a while, then next extension 3 out of 20 were of a given team. Spreading out characters keeps both parties happy.
why oh why JJJ?
because JJJ is a classic character who has been around for almost 50 years and who has more history, impact, appearances and importance than ANYBODY remaining to be done
@Ted
thanks for taking the piss out of me and my blog just cos I wouldnt draw your characters man. I just aint feeling well at the moment and dont need to draw everything people ask from me. I'll draw things if I ask for suggestions, not told to do so. You wouldnt get someone to do your taxes for free and they would not be as polite with their response.
Sorry man, but you really annoyed me with that which I see as an elaborate personal attack.
Before I state what I have to say I want to make clear that I have nothing against JJJ having been confirmed,and that I truly feel that if there's a civilian in the MU that deserves a spot in this collection it's definitely the ol' skinflint,flattop publisher now mayor. Now what I don't fully agree with,be it JJJ or any other given Marvel character is basing the importance or measure of said character solely on number of appearances. Aunt May has just as many or more appearances than JJJ,but that doesn't mean she deserves to be included in this collection due solely to this fact.I believe it's not only the amount of appearances the character has made but rather what impact or influence has this character had within the MU.A character may have dozens or hundreds of appearances but they may in the majority be passive or of minor impact in the series or the MU in general. While on the other hand some other character may have way less appearances than the one previously mentioned,but they have been turning points or of major impact within the Mu. So I believe that when we are judging whether or not someone should be confirmed in this collection it should not be done based on # of appearances only. Avalanche really doesn't have that many appearances and has not really caused any major revolution within the MU yet he has been solicited many times,here as well as in the forum many stating no other reason than to just have a full set of Mystique's Brotherhood.
Whilst completing teams is nice I do prefer to include worthy characters who have the development within comics. Avalanche is a perfect example of him having enough appearences yet zero personality and impact. It's unlikely we will egt an X-villain this extension but if we did I would like to see someone like Madalyne Pryor/Goblin Queen, Deathbird, Exodus or Selene who are much more three dimensional characters.
Leigh, hadn't been onto your website for a week and so wasn't aware you had got a job with an animation studio. Sorry for the tardiness, but congratulations. Look forward to seeing your work some day! Gee, don't you just love happy endings...?
Anyway, been meaning to ask: are you a Samurai Jack fan, Leigh? I just love Jack and think it's the best cartoon series in the history of the universe. Yes, even better than the Wacky Races!
New game. Since the topic of whether or not to start teams in the new extension has cropped up, list the teams you would wish completed in order of personal preference.
1. Avengers (Swordsman, Mantis, Stingray, et al.)
2. Inhumans (Lockjaw. 'Nuff said.)
3. Infinity Watch (Gamora, Pip the Troll, classic Drax).
4. The Outlaws (just an excuse to get Puma, really, you can forget about Rocket Racer).
I'll have a go at your game, Robert...
AVENGERS (only a few left that I really want however..)
MUST HAVES:
Swordsman
Mantis
Beast (Ape version- can have the 'proper' version with The Avengers, and the lion-like one can stay in the X-men camp = everybody happy!)
USAgent
LOVE TO HAVE(but probably wont happen):
Giant-Man (Original)
Goliath (Classic Clint Barton version)
LIKE TO HAVE:
Ronin
Iron Patriot
Stingray
'Bucky' Cap
Spiderwoman II
DON'T MIND EITHER WAY...:
Justice (But I'd love him as Vance Astro of TGOTG instead...funny that one version of him is a bit boring & dull, and the other is dynamic...)
Firestar
FRIGHTFUL FOUR
Trapster (is he already in or not?)
Thundra
INFINITY WATCH
(totally agree with you),
Pip
Gamora
Drax
(+ all in classic costumes...)
DEFENDERS
MUST HAVES:
Son of Satan (is he scheduled too?)
WOULDN'T MIND HAVING:
Gargoyle
Clea
SHIELD
LOVE TO HAVE: (but very unlikely)
Dum-Dum Dugan
Countess Valentina
WOULDN'T MIND:
Agent 13- Sharon Carter
X-MEN (basically sorted IMO...except for...)
Mimic (original costume- he was after all, the first new recruit)
That should be enough for now!
Good game, good game!!
(the return of)
Brucie Bob
FINALLY, another fan of the Watch! And then there was two! (That makes you Steve to my Yul! Do-do-do-doo do-do-do-doo-doo-do, do-do-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doooo, ...)
Great shout for SHIELD. Technically an organisation rather than a team but it's my game and I get to flaunt my own rules.
Good shouts for Goliath/ Giant-Man and USAgent but no Stingray, Sersi, Starfox, etc., Bob?
Thanks very much Robert, wasnt expecting a congratulations so it was very nice to see. You guys probably wont see much of the stuff I am currently working on as its all kids stuff, but if you will see my work in the future if you like warhammer...
Anyway, still annoyed at ted.
And playing your game, I'll just be easy and say Young Avengers.
Honestly, there are so many avengers it seems impossible to complete as they opened the doors to anybody really. So I'll stick with the new blood.
If I could pick, I would love Thunderbolts of old, but since they would be redos, its only a pipe dream.
I know what you mean about the Assemblers, Leigh. Once upon a time I could rattle off the names of everyone without any bother. Now I need a good twenty minutes and I would be very wobbly on who was a full member and who was a reservist...
Ted, have a look at
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2010/07/12/artist-builds-500-000-piece-mosaic-at-former-courthouse-where-his-dad-and-grandad-once-sat-as-judges-86908-22406976/
Incredible stuff.
Robert,
I've got to admit that I totally forgot Sersi and Starfox, but if you look closely I did include Stingray!
Sersi would be in my LIKE TO HAVE section (She was central to the classic Gatherers/ Proctor story-line, one of my all-time favourite Avengers Sagas)
Starfox would be in my DON'T MIND EITHER WAY section- one of my least favourite Avengers, and I'd probably put him with my Cosmics- where there's more room!
Both these guys are ETERNALS too, and as we already have Ikaris, we could technically finish that team according to your game....Therefore,
ETERNALS
MUST HAVES:
Ajak
Makkari
LIKE TO HAVE:
Sersi
Mentor
DON'T MIND:
Starfox
Forgotten One
Zuras
Thena
BTW... My favourite Western of all time is The Magnificent Seven!....and I don't mind at all being Steve- he had more hair!
Late again!
BD
Main site updated, guys, up to Nomad. Also, Ant-Man restored, so he's hasn't been bumped. Thankfully.
Ah, the old peepers ain't what they used to be, Bob!
I never much liked Starfox, either, but as a completist I want him more than this week's mutant. I have more fondness for Sersi, but that may be down to the lack of clothing on a curvy woman. (After that comment people will start saying I'm Deadpool again.)
P.S. I lean more towards Sergio Leone's 'Dollar' trilogy, especially "For a Few Dollars More", and "The Outlaw Josey Wales" is brilliant, too. That said, "The Magnificent Seven" is just wonderful cinema and one of the most fun films ever made.
I forgot to mention, yes Robert, Samurai Jack is awesome. I should really catch it on DVD as I didnt really see many episodes, but when it was on I would just sit in a trance of its awesomeness.
The style of your art often reminds me of the style Jack, Leigh, that's why I asked. I had to buy a multi-region DVD player and get the series shipped from the States but, boy, was it worth it. Stunning.
Completing teams...
Meggan (Original Excalibur lineup)
Darkstar (Defenders)
Wolfsbane and Strong Guy (90's X-Factor)
Yeah Robert, after The Magnificent Seven, The Dollar Trilogy are a very close second, as well as Josey Wales and Once Upon A Time In The West...
This got me to thinking... wouldn't it be great if EM did a short series of Classic Western Heroes (and Villains)?
We could have Clint as 'The Man with no Name' and Josey Wales.
Chris and Vin from The Mag. 7.
The Duke as 'Rooster Cogburn'.
Lee Van Cleef as 'Snake-Eyes' or 'Sabata'.
The guys from 'The Trinity'/ 'Nobody' Movies
Eli Wallach as 'Tuco' or The bad guy in M7..
....etc( I'm sure there's a few more worthy contenders..)
I'd buy it !
BD
PS. Gremlin...surely Darkstar would complete The Champions, not The Defenders? (Both Brilliant BTW)
Doh!!! My bad. I meant to say Champions....I was thinking of two things at once.
We also need...
Clea, Red Guardian and Gargolye for the Defenders.
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